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AI Angst

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Hacker News Discussion

Here's a summary of the key themes emerging from the Hacker News discussion, supported with direct quotes:

A General Sense of "Angst" and Unease Regarding the Impact of AI

Many participants expressed a general feeling of disquiet about the rapid advancement and deployment of AI, particularly concerning its potential impact on employment and education.

  • "Angst is the best way to put it... When nearly every tech related startup seems to be about making FTEs redundant via AI it leaves me with a bad feeling for the future. Same with the impact on students and learning." - strict9

  • "But the angst is something else. When nearly every tech related startup seems to be about making FTEs redundant via AI it leaves me with a bad feeling for the future. Same with the impact on students and learning." - strict9

The Hope (and Perhaps Necessity) of a "Meltdown/Crash"

Some feel that the current inflated state of the AI market, driven by excessive VC funding and hype, is unsustainable and that a "crash" is necessary to weed out non-value-adding players.

  • "I agree that some kind of meltdown/crash would be the best possible thing to happen. There are too many players not adding any value to the ecosystem at this point." - bob1029

  • "We need something severe to scare off the bullshit artists for a while." - bob1029

  • "I think that the best we can hope for is the eventual financial meltdown leaving a few useful islands of things that are actually useful at prices that make sense." - strict9 (quoting anonymously)

Concerns about the Impact of AI on Education

A significant portion of the discussion focused on the potential detrimental effects of AI on education, particularly the temptation for students to use it for cheating and the possibility of devaluing genuine learning.

  • "I really don’t think there’s a coherent pro-genAI case to be made in the education context" - perplex

  • "Now, what happens when you give those same children access to an LLM that can do essentially ALL their work for them? If I'm right, those children will increasingly lean on those LLMs to do as much of their schoolwork/homework as possible, because the alternative means they have less time to scroll on Tik Tok." - jplusequalt

  • "GenAI used to cheat is a great detriment to education, but a student using genAI to learn can benefit greatly, as long as they have matured enough in their education process to have critical thinking to handle mishaps by the AI and to properly differentiate when they are learning and when they are having the AI do the work for them" - SkyBelow

  • "how can kids, think K-12, who don't even know how to "use" the internet properly - or even their phones - learn how to learn with AI? The same way social media and mobile apps made the internet easy, mindless clicking, LLMs make school a mechanical task." - dowager_dan99

  • "[blank] is an amazing tool ... when used properly. You could say the same thing about a myriad of controversial things that currently exist. But we don't live in a perfect world--we live in a world where money is king, and often times what makes money is in direct conflict with utilitarianism." - jplusequalt

The Potential for AI as a Learning Tool

Despite concerns about misuse, some participants acknowledged the potential of AI to enhance learning, particularly for self-directed learning and gaining high-level overviews.

  • "My own personal experience is that Gen AI is an amazing tool to support learning, when used properly." - perplex

  • "I too am finding AI incredibly useful for learning, I use it for high level overviews and to help guide me to resources (online formats and books) deeper dives. Claude has so far proven to be an excellent learning partner, no doubt other models are similarly good." -murrayb

  • "Continuing education via prompt is great, I try to do it every day. Despite years of use I still get that magic feeling when asking about some obscure topic I want to know more about." - strict9

  • "GenAI used to cheat is a great detriment to education, but a student using genAI to learn can benefit greatly, as long as they have matured enough in their education process to have critical thinking to handle mishaps by the AI and to properly differentiate when they are learning and when they are having the AI do the work for them (I don't say cheat here because some students will accidentally cross the line and 'cheat' often carries a hint of mens rea). To the mature enough student interested in learning more, genAI is a worthwhile tool." - SkyBelow

The Risk of Stagnation and Loss of Quality in Publicly Available Code.

Some are concerned that the widespread use of AI code generation and the shift in discussions away from platforms like StackOverflow could lead to a decline in the quality and availability of open-source code.

  • "I'm interested to see what the landscape of public code will look like in the next few years, with sites like StackOverflow dropping off and discussions moving to discord, plus code generation flooding github, writing your own high quality code in the open might become very valuable." - gh0stcat

  • "I am very bearish on that idea to be honest, I think the field will stagnate." - acedTrex

Frustration with AI Hype and Over-Saturation

Several commenters expressed weariness with the constant focus on AI, perceiving it as a form of hype or a sales pitch that is dominating online discussions

  • "This has basically made the site unusable." - absurdo
  • "My sentiments exactly, lately browsing HN feels like a sales pitch for LLMs, complete with the same snark about "luddites" and promises of future glory I remember back when NFTs were the hot new thing in tech." - ManlyBread

Skepticism towards blanket statements about AI

Some users voiced skepticism toward those blindly embracing AI, or those making polarizing statements regarding it's impact.

  • "Ptacek has spent the past week getting dunked on in public for that article. I don't think it lends you a lot of credence to align with it." - lowsong

Differing Opinions regarding Education System Updates due to the Internet

A user claims that education has not drastically changed with the invention of computers and the internet, whereas another user corrects him on the details of when the internet became mainstream for the public. * "Computer and internet has been around for 20 years and yet the evaluation systems of our education has largely remained the same. I don't hold my breath on this." - Aperocky

  • "Where are you located? The Internet boom in the US happened in the mid-90's. My first part-time ISP job was in 1994." - icedchai