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Counter-Strike: A billion-dollar game built in a dorm room

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Here's a summary of the themes discussed in the Hacker News thread about Counter-Strike:

Nostalgia for the Early Days of Counter-Strike and PC Gaming

Many users expressed a deep fondness for the early iterations of Counter-Strike (like 1.6 and Source) and the broader PC gaming landscape of the late 90s and early 2000s. This era is remembered for its community-driven nature, modding scene, and a less corporate approach to game development.

  • "Maybe I'm old but I feel as though there's still a place for shooters of this nature. Every time I hear about new seasons dropping for some ultra-popular game I lose interest; I've no desire to keep up with the evolution of a game coordinated by a billion-dollar company to extract money from my wallet after I already paid for it." - alexjplant
  • "I miss this old internet and gaming experience so much... Now I don't know how to really connect with people online anymore or build any kind of community." - bluefirebrand
  • "TimesOldRoman: Oh snap!!! I think I played on T3 for a LOOONG time in the early 2000s. I once even beat Machine once."
  • "epolanski: People interacted, they truly did. Dramas, friendship, everything. Where? Quakenet, Forums. Every clan had their channel, some easily reached 1000+ people."
  • "softwaredoug: I used to do homework while waiting for the next round to start. Homework, round, homework, round. The game was perfect for a few minutes of excitement than enough time to solve the next math problem."

The Demise of Server Browsers and the Rise of Matchmaking

A significant point of lament is the decline of server browsers in favor of matchmaking systems. Users feel this shift has led to a less community-focused and more impersonal online gaming experience.

  • "I will forever mourn the general demise of server browsers. Too many games require you to use matchmaking systems, which means it's very hard to build up a small community in-game anymore." - rimunroe
  • "I miss GameSpy, the original application, not the service it morphed into later. It was so easy to find a server to play on, playing the levels/mods you wanted to play." - strictnein
  • "OliveMate: By comparison, modern matchmaking-lead multiplayer feels gentrified and - for lack of a better term - soulless. You're blindly shuffled between random players each game, and there's no way to properly build a connection with players or a community out of it."
  • "SimianSci: Server Browsers make sense in a world in which members of the community are self-hosting their own infrastructure for others to play on. While a great way to build community, it can be a problem when it comes to player retention and competitive mechanics."
  • "rimunroe: I don't think anyone is confused about why this happened. It's obvious why a game company which is trying to make money in an extremely competitive field would prefer it. Having a good reason doesn't mean that there isn't reason to mourn the loss of what came before."

Counter-Strike's Evolution and the Monetization of Skins

The discussion heavily features the evolution of Counter-Strike's monetization, particularly the introduction and impact of cosmetic skins, loot boxes, and the associated marketplace. While some see it as a successful model, many are critical of its gambling-like aspects and the ecosystem it has fostered.

  • "mrguyorama: They are a transparent system that enables literal children to get addicted to gambling and valve takes a cut of every payout and they are well aware of this."
  • "nsilvestri: "Fairly unprofitable [if you ignore all the parts that generate revenue.]" I will admit that gambling $0.16 in skins on pro matches when I was 15 was a lot of fun."
  • "snapcaster: most people can try cocaine without getting addicted but that doesn't make it safe or something we should shove in the faces of children"
  • "GlobalElite: It is worse than the typical lootbox scheme because the entire CS ecosystem is now saturated with marketing of third party skin trading sites and casinos. And at the end of the day it is still gambling."
  • "y-curious: It's not pay-to-win and the skins are de facto NFTs (with resale value). It's a loot crate system done right IMO"
  • "wiredpancake: CS is a billion dollar game. The CS2 Skin market-cap is above $5 Billion itself."
  • "ivape: Quietly? They monopolized the modding community. There is a universe where gamers could sell their weapon skins, but now only Valve sells their own skins. They killed modders."
  • "Grambo: "I don't recognize the industry anymore... The gambling aspects can piss right off, though."
  • "mervz: Hate it all you want, but it's the sole reason Counter-Strike still exists today. Without skins, Valve would have shut the door on the game (and quite possibly the company entirely)."
  • "andrepd: That's, excuse my French, fucking ridiculous. Steam is a money printing machine that affords Valve the capital to run its CS servers 100 over."
  • "daviding: I found it sort of a stress relief. On the upside it gave me all sorts of free items as in-game 'drops'... Last year I saw that they'll worth a bunch of money now (!) and had about $1500 if sold on the steam marketplace."

The Importance of Modding and Custom Content

The discussion highlights the vital role that custom maps, mods, and player-created content played in the original success and longevity of Counter-Strike and other games. Many users lament the perceived decline in official support or ease of access for such content.

  • "AlexandrB: Yes. I miss how wildly creative shooters used to be. In just UT[2K4] you had the translocator, the shock rifle (with a hidden third firing mode), and movement like wall jumping."
  • "Insanity: Modding and mapping were what made CS great in my opinion. Since CS:GO, Valve has been quietly killing that scene by making it harder and harder for people to find these game modes."
  • "alexjplant: I started with CS: Source and quickly got into 1.6 because of the more expansive funmaps and modding scene. It was like the Wild West... I don't really play games anymore. The last one I got into was Tribes: Ascend, and when that died, I never started another one."
  • "Loudergood: Timely, I was just wondering yesterday (as I was launching the BF6 beta) if there was a current FPS with a mod scene like we had for Half Life and BF 1942. I can't seem to find anything."
  • "redwall_hp: The conclusion I came to is that this is due to the availability of game engines and game distribution, which have made modding pointless. Why expend countless hours building a game mode for someone else's game, in a world where that has copyright implications, when you can just build your own game?"
  • "jcalx: Joining a random server and seeing the maps and assets download and never really knowing what you were going to spawn into... it was wonderfully weird in a way that reminds me of the individuality of the Old Internet™."

The Glorification of Iconic Maps, Especially de_dust2

The enduring legacy and popularity of specific maps, most notably de_dust2, is a recurring theme. Users share memories associated with these maps and debate their relative merits and fame.

  • "TheAceOfHearts: Something that wasn't mentioned in the article is that Counter-Strike spawned the creation of the most iconic FPS map ever: de_dust2. If an FPS supports custom maps, it's inevitable that de_dust2 will get ported to it."
  • "ViktorRay: I believe de_dust2 is likely still the most played FPS map. Not sure which other map could have dethroned it."
  • "monkeywork: The only other map that started in a non-CS game that I think has even a slightly close level of fame would be COD Nuketown."
  • "frou_dh: I gotta imagine that sucks to play in most of them. Maybe it occasionally 'works' in another game?"
  • "qudat: Whenever I jump into CS I only play dust2. It’s such a perfect map."
  • "brummm: Always enjoyed de_dust more than de_dust2. But I am clearly in the minority on that one."

Concerns About Toxicity and the Changing Nature of Online Interaction

Several users expressed concerns about increased toxicity in online gaming communities and a perceived decline in the positive social interactions that were once common.

  • "bigstrat2003: I don't think it's just "different times" as you put it. Those kids have had their brains ruined by companies' profit-maximization schemes. It makes me really angry (at these companies) and sad (for the kids) that they have been the victims of such a thing."
  • "rimunroe: ...it feels like the general toxicity has gotten worse at the same time as we've lost a lot of tools to manage it."
  • "Spooky23: People have been trained to be assholes online."
  • "jokoon: Toxicity is what killed the game for me. ... Even today, the matchmaking is horrendous and toxic teammates ruin the fun."
  • "doublerabbit: Yet the one you'd expect to be the worse turned to be more warm. It's weird to think that, but shrug."
  • "Spooky23: That was an innocent and wonderful time for many of us, but there was a dark side to it, especially as this haven for nerds went mainstream. I have a good friend who was basically groomed/seduced in ann online game and raped by a 35 year old man when she was 13."