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U.S. government takes 10% stake in Intel

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Here's a summary of the key themes from the Hacker News discussion:

Geopolitical Strategy and National Security

A central theme is the US government's strategic interest in securing domestic semiconductor manufacturing capabilities for national security reasons. This is often framed in the context of potential geopolitical instability, particularly concerning China and Taiwan.

  • "The US expects China to invade Taiwan and this will kill TSMC in the process."
  • "If US missiles or drones use chips from TSMC, and TSMC is in occupied territory or a war zone... the US can't make more missiles or drones."
  • "The US needs to make sure they have access to chip fabrication facilities that can produce near-state-of-the-art chips, even at inflated prices that are not commercially viable in peacetime..."
  • "The US government is pushing for US made GPUs as well. This goes back to Biden's admin as well."
  • "For national security reasons for having domestic chip production..."

Industrial Policy Debate: Government Intervention vs. Free Market

The discussion highlights a broader debate about the role of government in industrial policy. Some users see this move as a necessary step towards a more pragmatic industrial policy, breaking away from decades of aversion to such strategies. Others are critical, viewing it as government overreach, market distortion, or a form of cronyism.

  • "The recent (50ish years) aversion to Industrial Policy in America has been pigheaded and ideological to a certain extent."
  • "If we wish to build capacity domestically, especially in high capex and low margins industry, some amount of government support is needed."
  • "Funds that are overwhelmingly sourced via private capital cannot take the same risks to build an ecosystem that a Soverign Development Fund can."
  • "How does Govt picking winners and losers going to help?"
  • "This is the protectionist just-desert of refusing to regulate the top-dog competitors into a position where they're afraid to rest on their laurels."
  • "I see this as vaguely positive. A return to pragmatism from market dogmatism."
  • "When there’s no incentive to run your company correctly… we get another company not run correctly."
  • "Government involvement is the fastest way to corrupt the purpose of an organization, hollow out its soul and quickly get rid of all the competent people."
  • "This is capitalism. We the people get to use or tax dollars to our benefit."

Legitimacy and Motivation of the Action (Political and Financial)

Users are divided on the legitimacy and true motivations behind the government's stake in Intel. Some suspect political maneuvering, cronyism, or a desire for control, while others view it as a strategic investment or a necessary consequence of existing subsidies.

  • "My first thought, how many Trump people just front ran this?"
  • "This wasn't any sort of investment, it was blackmail."
  • "The Trump administration is hoping that by exerting control over Intel, it can begin dictating conditions to Intel's customers, thus the tech community at large."
  • "I also assume that one of Trump's cronies will take a spot on the board or some other oversight role, and in the near future, Intel will enrich Trump in one way or another..."
  • "Nothing about this is good for the U.S. or Intel. It's not a bailout or a sign of support, but a way for Trump to have power over the tech sector."
  • "It's not a bailout or a sign of support, but a way for Trump to have power over the tech sector."
  • "This is my thought on it too. I don't think this is meant to be a political win so much as US intelligence views chip manufacturing extremely strategically."
  • "It's just cronyism and bribes. Nothing more to it."
  • "It's just cronyism and bribes. Nothing more to it. From 'he must go' to 'Intel is so great that we demand a 10% stake' in a week. Mussolini-style."

Hypocrisy and Shifting Political Ideologies

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around perceived hypocrisy, particularly concerning the Republican party's stance on government intervention and socialism. Users point out the contrast between past criticisms of government spending (e.g., Solyndra) and the current acceptance of a government equity stake.

  • "I remember when this happened during an actual crisis, in 2008, republicans all over cried on the radio day after day, arguing that it's socialism. But now, crickets!!"
  • "They were still complaining about Solyndra over a decade later."
  • "The Republican party of 2008 bears little resemblance to the one of 2025, especially on economic issues."
  • "How is this not the evil thing you guys constantly lecture us about (socialism!)?"
  • "It's not the evil thing because it's 'their side' doing it."
  • "Because they only lecture about socialism as a red herring. They only care about power and obtaining it."

The State of Intel and the Semiconductor Industry

There's a recurring observation that Intel is struggling, and this government intervention raises questions about its financial health and future prospects. The discussion also touches onIntel's position within the broader semiconductor landscape, particularly its fading lead in process technology.

  • "How many Trump people just front ran this?"
  • "The US gov't just stole $11 bln from Intel shareholders - while intel is failing - while promising nothing?"
  • "Would you still be saying this if Intel wasn’t floundering as badly as it is today?"
  • "My only worry is this will mean management will start resting on their laurels and things will just continue to deteriorate."
  • "Intel is in the midst of a dramatic turnaround and huge shift in strategy. It might fail."
  • "GF is like a decade behind in research. Without years to ramp up and update their fabs they're not relevant."
  • "Micron and TI are both far far away from leading edge."
  • "Intel is the only chip manufacturer left that is working in logic at anything like the leading edge."
  • "It's not like all of the companies designing custom chips are going to be falling over themselves to design use the x86 ISA."

Alternatives and Future Strategies

Some users propose alternative strategies for government support or for bolstering the US semiconductor industry, such as fostering new competitors, investing in foundational research, or focusing on older, more robust technologies.

  • "The government support should have come in the form of a real competitor."
  • "Is it too much 'magic' for the moneyed geniuses down at Apple?"
  • "Pouring more money into a proven dumpster fire won't put out the fire."
  • "My plan that would create a competitor for Intel from scratch that could be making decent chips in 5 years?"
  • "The US can't employ poverty-tier labor to enable competitive margins..."
  • "Deregulation of RISC-V, threaten Intel with loss of IP if they can't profit on fabs, threaten to cut Softbank off of American companies if Masayoshi Son won't onshore RISC manufacturing."
  • "Maybe a better strategy for the military would be to fund a wide variety of domestic chip manufacturers operating at decades-old process nodes..."
  • "Why fund a new foundry startup?"
  • "The US government should be placing huge orders with Intel for solutions that will fund R&D and allow the company to regain its position as a foundry."

The Mechanics and Implications of the Deal

There's considerable discussion about the specifics of the deal itself, including how the equity stake was acquired, its valuation, and its implications for Intel and its shareholders.

  • "What rights does this refer to? Normal shareholder voting rights or something else?"
  • "So no shareholder vote required?"
  • "It is equivalent to a 10% dilution (shares issued for no extra cash)."
  • "The existing claw-back and profit-sharing provisions associated with the government’s previously dispersed $2.2 billion grant to Intel under the CHIPS Act will be eliminated to create permanency of capital..."
  • "As a taxpayer I’d strongly support 5B/.1% of the fed budget for a few years just to learn what happens in the attempt."
  • "The United States paid nothing for these Shares, and the Shares are now valued at approximately $11 Billion Dollars"
  • "I don't understand. Can somebody explain to me how the government made an investement, bought shares, but paid nothing?"
  • "The government is giving $8.9B from the CHIPS act in exchange for a 10% stake in the company."
  • "This is worse than I expected. They're apparently putting in no new money and retroactively demanding stock in exchange for grants that were already awarded."